Speaking of the Ahmadiyya Community…

I feel that I have to truly speak out against the crime against Jammat Ahmadiyya that was brought to my attention.  I posted the wonderful commentary by Mike Ghouse entitled “Ahmadiyya Muslims What Next” and he was absolutely right.

With all due respect, my Indonesian Muslim brothers and sisters must be loosing their minds.  In truth the entire Muslim world is loosing their mind, especially as it relates to this MUSLIM community.  Yes, I said Muslim community.  How in the world can you call yourself a Muslim and want to ban another group that says they are Muslim too?  So what if you don’t agree with their practice or even their theology.  The one thing that should bind us all is our belief in One God, Allah (swt) and our belief in the Prophet (saw).  Any person or group that upholds that is a Muslim.

This is where hypocrisy comes in.  Muslims are so quick to fight against one another over matters of variance in practice, but are so slow to embrace one another based on our commonality.  We will readily engage in interfaith with other religions, accept others with open arms, let them speak in our Masjids, etc.  But God forbid we do that with other Muslims who think or practice other than ourselves.

We love to bash the West and complain about how we are minorities and are denied equal rights, yet in our so-called Muslim countries we refuse to do that ourselves?  Why complain about something you won’t readily do yourselves?

This is why I understand why non-Muslims look at us with such strange looks.  Look at us, we are backward and confused when we can’t realize the obvious.  Muslims by definition are supposed to be the example of what the world should be.  I must say, if we define Muslim by the actions of those in Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and every other “Muslim” nation that bans this group or any other group, then I would rather be an apostate.

You can’t even be a Muslim acting the way they are acting.  A Muslim is supposed to be one in which his/her neighbors feel safe.  How in the hell can these “Muslims” call themselves such when not even fellow Muslims can feel safe in their presence?

How in the world can you say you are Islamically justified in banning a group that says there is no God, but Allah?  What kind of Muslim are you?

I am not Ahmadiyya, however, you can judge a tree by the fruit it bears.  This Jammat in all my experiences have been one of the most tolerant, welcoming, and peaceful community I have had the privilege to get to know.  I have Ahmadiyya friends, I have attended their functions, and I can tell you through my Sunni eyes, that if they are not Muslim, then I truly don’t know what Islam is and I should go back to being a Christian!

I know many of these brothers and sisters, I can tell you with resolute honesty that to me, they are as if we had the same parents.  I love these brothers and sisters, surely we disagree on matters of Fiqh, but so do my wife and I!  Some of us in our arrogance and lack of faith in Allah (swt) would rather swat at gnats.  We bring the chastisement of Allah (swt) on ourselves.

So what they say the Messiah has come back?  What does that have to do with Shahaddah, Salah, Zawm, Zakat, and Hajj?  Do they teach against those things?  Do they even pray differently?  Many of us are so foolish that we would readily have the good Rev. Dr. such and such address us in the Masjid or non-Muslim Mayoral candidate whomever, but don’t let it be someone who calls themselves a Muslim that practices or believes a little different from us.  Don’t even let them in our households, bar them from burying their dead, and of all things bar them from the Holy House of all Muslims!

I condemn these detestable, hypocritical, and un-Islamic acts done against this community.  I pray Allah (swt) is swift in His chastisement against any Muslim or so-called Muslim state that wants to or has banned any Muslim or group that prays to Him.

How dare you brothers and sisters that do this.  In this time where Muslims should be gathering and supporting one another, you want to continue the divide.  Instead of being the defender and protector of the oppressed, you now want to be the oppressor.  Allah (swt) loves NOT the oppressor.

I sincerely tell you that you seal your fate and you will be brought to ruin as most “Muslim” nations like Pakistan, until you submit and unite.

I ask all Muslims who truly believe, to oppose these actions as well as those well recorded elsewhere.  All Muslim lands should belong to any who believe in Allah (swt), His messenger (saw), and the last day.  Any who oppose that, should be done away with.  They should not be supported in any manner as they have left the fold of Islam and have become a persecutor of fellow Muslims which is Haram.

I ask that we rally around the Ahmadiyya Community the latest and perpetual victim of “Muslim” violence, ignorance, and hypocrisy.  I ask that all Muslims get it together and aid one another.  It doesn’t matter if you pray with your arms folded, pray with your arms at your sides, pray with your hands on your heart, etc.  It doesn’t matter if you expect the Messiah to come with Imam Mahdi, expect Jesus (as) to descend from the clouds, or believe that he came 100 years ago already.  It doesn’t matter if you prayer toward the Holy House in Islamabad, Cairo, Jakarta, Paris, London, Dakar, or Washington DC.  Muslims we have to unite and be brothers and protectors of one another!

Oh Allah (swt), I ask that you guide our hearts and our minds.  I ask that you turn us nearer to you and forgive our transgressions.  I ask that you renew in us the spirit of true brother and sister hood.  I ask that you remind us that all are brothers who seek you and follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw).  Oh Allah (swt), I ask that you turn back the Shaitan who is winning over those who say they serve you in Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and everywhere where your name is uttered.  We seek refuge in you from Shaitan the accursed and ask that you deafen our ears to his whispers.  Oh Allah (swt) protect the Muslim oppressed, especially those oppressed by other Muslims, such as Jammat Ahmaddiya.  Oh Allah (swt) bless and strengthen them and all Muslims of conscience who speak out against such atrocities.  Oh Allah (swt) remind us to follow your perfected Deen and grant us your Mercy, for you are the Most Merciful, Compassionate, Dispenser of Grace.  It is to You Alone that we submit.


Your brother in Islam,

Robert Salaam



  1. I think this post is fantastic. Even though it’s about the Ahmadiyya, it touches upon many of the problems that exist in the Muslim World.

    Muslims always like to claim that Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion. As a Muslim, I of course believe it to be so, but the actions of our co-religionists always seem to contradict this. They will say Islam calls for freedom and equality and justice for all, including religious freedom, but at the same time, for example, adhere to clearly manmade docrtines of killing apostates with startling zeal. These contradictions are most likely the result of dogmatism coupled with excessive legalism: “yes, the Quran states ‘there is no compulsion in faith’ but the Great Scholars of medieval times reached a consensus on the criteria for a proper Muslim, and whoever violates the criteria should be killed. Oh, you don’t agree? HOW CAN YOU VIOLATE THE SCHOLARS”. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bashing the scholars per se, as many of them have done a wonderful service for Islam. But I believe the attitudes I have just described are far too prevalent in Muslim lands, and partially explain why we see incidents like the Indonesian Ahmadiyya.
    I strongly disagree with the stance of the Ahmadiyya. Frankly, whether they are true Muslims or not is not as relevant to me as the fact that it SHOULD NOT EVEN MATTER. Even if they were absolute infidels, aren’t Muslims supposed to treat all with justice and fairness? Aren’t we supposed to only aggress against those who aggress against us? Whatever happened to religious freedom!

    “I must say, if we define Muslim by the actions of those in Indonesia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and every other “Muslim” nation that bans this group or any other group, then I would rather be an apostate.”

    Unfortunately, a lot of people have in fact been pulled away from Islam for exactly the same reasons.


  2. Ameen Allahumameen

    Asalamoalikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

    Alhumdolillah. JazakAllah ahsnaljaza, for you thoughts brother, this was truly inspiring and gave me hope. May Allah accept all your prayers may He bless you and your family and may He guide us all, all of mankind, may He lift Muslims to the hights of spirituality and taqwa, may He grant us Nafsemutmaina (soul at peace), may He give us more brothers like you, may He restore the true peace, unity and love in the ummah. Because beleveing in God’s unity doesn’t merit much unless we can establish unity among us. May Allah subhanahu wa taala fullfill for us all those prayers that RasoolAllah syedna Mohammad Mustafa PBUH made for us. Ameen AllahumAmeen.


    your brother in Islam 🙂



  3. Salaam,

    I agree with Sever that the issue is one of religious freedom. IMO it’s not about who is a “real” Muslim or not. Either the government protects its minority population or it doesn’t.

    I don’t know why this is such a hot issue all of a sudden in Indonesia. Extremely disheartening however.


  4. It is a hot issue in Indonesia because they have some heavy-handed influences tinkering from outside and a few within. Bosnia isn’t struggling with the Ahmadiyyah but there is a struggle to open Islam to the masses versus maintaining interpretative autonomy.


  5. Just a quick note:

    I was not implying that the Ahmadiyya were infidels. Although I disagree with their position on the arrival of the Messiah, this to me does not constitute sufficient evidence to brand them non-Muslims.


  6. It is the rest of the so called Muslim world that are non Muslims. Any Muslim who rejects the Masih & Madhi of the time is a non Muslim. It is unfortunate, but in this Muslim world you have Muslims killing Muslims i.e. Iraq, Somalia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan. The Promised Messiah is here, accept him and be saved. The ONLY TRUE ISLAM IS AHMADIYYAT. Everything and everybody else outside the fold of Ahmadiyyat will be lost. To be Ahmadi is to be a true Muslim. People who do not understand that are the ones who will fry in Hell. Again Ahamdis are the only true Muslims. May the whole world be Ahmadi and a better place to live. The whole world will be Ahmadi it is only a matter of time. Inshallah. Ahmadiyyat Zindabad!!!!!!


  7. It’s not just Indonesia…Muslims are threatening Ahmadiyya in the United States…not a word from CAIR on these crimes though

    And what’s up with the flag of Jihad? doesn’t quite fit with your story…

    This black flag with the Shahada in white on it is the RAYAH, the flag of the Jihad in Islam. Not the banner of single group claiming for Jihad but the banner of the Jihad. The flag is Black and the Shahada always remains in white. Every Muslim fighting in Jihad will hold this flag. You can find the Rayah over the shoulders of Muslim fighters in Chechnya, sometimes in the street of Palestine, in Bosnia was very used by the “Black Swans” group of the Muslim Bosnian Army.


  8. I find it sad creeping that you misuse the intent of my post to divert from the subject. The banner of Jihad was purposeful on my part. However, Jihad, the word, term, and Islamic concept is not exclusive to radicals, extremists, and terrorists.

    Jihad which loosely means “struggle” is what I am actively engaged in. It’s the greater Jihad against oneself and the Jihad of the pen as I actively call Muslims of conscience and understanding to actively get engaged against these very things you malign the flag to associate me with that I am against.

    In order to take back my religion one must also take back the images, terms, and concepts.

    So that’s what’s up with the flag of Jihad? I’m engaged in a Jihad against the Jihad.


  9. Assalam O Alaikum WaRahmatullah hia Wabraktahoo.
    The Ahmadiyya Community stands for Love for Allah Hatred for None. Fareed Ahmad Sahib please communicate in this love and before stating such strong words think because your words communicate more negatively then positively. Jazakullah


  10. During the time of the Holy Prophet (sa) a census count was being conducted. In an attempt to count the number of Muslims, our beloved Muhammad (sa) gave a most perfect method to determine who is a Muslim, and who is not a Muslim. The Holy Prophet (sa) said, “Write down for me everyone who calls himself a Muslim.”

    If this is the requirement set forth by our Master Prophet (sa), then who are we to infuse our own vain ideologies regarding faith? If someone considers themselves a Muslim, then according to the Holy Prophet (sa), they are a Muslim!! Who dares contradict this teaching? Pity be upon those who think they have the right to consider someone a Muslim or non Muslim.

    Jazakallah Brother Robert for speaking your mind. Jazakallah for speaking the truth.




  11. Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahe Wabarakatohu. Jazakallah to Brother Robert for being very truthful and open minded about the Ahmadi Muslims. May Allah Bless You! It is better to accept Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi of this age, rather than accepting the Terrorists and Mullahs of this age whose beliefs and actions are rather ugly and embarrassing! Is this what Prophet Muhammad (saw) taught them? God forbid! Holy Prophet did not receive any respect when he proclaimed as the”Messenger of Allah.” He was tortured, embarassed, boycotted and even challenged with battles. Nothing new for the muslims not accepting the “Promised Messiah.” Spend some time reading and pondering over what he said and preached. He brought us back to the true path of Islam and taught us to love Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) who is the great examplar and role model of Islam. Alhamdullilah, we are the only one sect of Islam with Khalifas till today who constantly remind us of the beauty of Islam and the true meaning of sacrifice. I love what I believe and I pray for our dear Ahmadi brothers and sisters all over the world to be steadfast and strong in facing these challenges.



  12. Assalamo Alaikum
    Robert Salaam has indeed done a great service to the cause of Islam by pointing out the un-Islamic behavior of our co religionists and emphasizing on the need for unity amongst all Muslims. He is right when he bemoans the disunity and infightings among different groups of Muslims on one pretext or the other. The hypocrisy and the ‘holier-than-thou’ approach has questioned the credibility of the Muslim countries. It is primarily the semi-literate non-Ahmadi Mullahs who have taken upon themselves the right to define the religion of others and are in the forefront of persecution of the Ahmadi Muslims. The general masses of Muslims need to understand the game plan. May Allah help them. Ameer.
    Wa Assalam
    Syed Zafar Ahmad (Hyderabad – India)


  13. Jazakumullah Brother Robert.

    Its about time American Muslims weigh in on the nonsense going on in these so called Muslim countries. Freedom of religion means so much to an American that they (Muslim and non-Muslim Americans) have and will put their life on the line to preserve it. It may very well be that American Muslims have to teach the true meaning of “religious freedom” to the rest of the so-called Muslim world. Not only teach the true meaning and spirit of “religious freedom” but, provide a practical demonstration of those concepts to countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.

    Haji Yaqub


  14. Robert, interesting that greatest opposition to the view that Islam is a religion of peace comes from within Muslim community. What do you expect from non-Muslims (real non-Muslims I mean) in terms of how they view Islam?


  15. Meer,

    You bring up a very good point. What could one with a logical mind expect of non-Muslims? The truth is, Muslims tend to be our own worse enemy. As I have stated in another post, how or why should we expect others (such as non-Muslims) to respect us when we don’t respect ourselves?


  16. Assalamualaikum,

    Although I am a conservative and fundamental Muslim in Singapore and Malaysia, i condemn such an act of burning of the Al Quran Holy Scripture and demolished a ahmadiyya mosque in Indonesia towards our Muslim brothers ahmadiyya. although hazrat mirza gulam method of teaching is the same from the mainstream of Islam they follow according to syariah law and teaching, we Muslim should indulge more in the knowledge of Islam we must respect our leader in the Islamic community but rather than hear the imam,mullah,ustaz or ayatollah and ulamak opinion of fatwa and politics. We shall not burn and kill without any justification. But there is a errors in the founder speeches and writings, im so glad that he did not alter the hadis and Quran. This is the famous quotes from the hadis ”The Prophet Muhammad s.a.w say In My Ummah, there shall be born Thirty Grand Liars (Dajjals), each of whom will claim to be a prophet, But I am the Last Prophet; there is No Prophet after Me.” The prophet Muhammad s.a.w say to the ummah, that my ummah will fight and argue with each other and split into 73 sect like the Jews and Christians but only one path is the path to enlightenments and righteous. We as a Muslim majority such as Sunni, syia, wahabbi, Sufism, shitte condemn a verse that he claimed to be a messiah or prophet that is heretical and blasphemes. In 1988 Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiani, Head of the Ahmadiyya Movement and Grandson of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, issued a challenge of Mubahila, in which he labeled the entire Muslim Ummah as Disbelievers and Liars. Syed Abdul Hafez took up the challenge and set up Anti Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam. it is an awareness campaign to educate Muslims and non-Muslims about the true nature of this creed and bring to the light the true personality of its founder and his heretical beliefs, as depicted in his writings. It is an honor for the major Islamic community to support Sheikhs Abdul Hafez in his efforts to stop this propagandas in the Islamic community worldwide. We in Singapore and Malaysia shall educate the public about false messiah and prophet.


    Shah Imran


  17. Brother Shah Imrab,

    It is absolutely wrong to say that the 4th Head of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad ever declared Muslim Ummah as “Dis-Believers & Lairs”. Following is a link of his video in which he has explained that what is his opinion about those Muslims who have not accepted Hadhrat Ahmad (as) as the Promised Messiah.

    Dear brother, you yourself have quoted a Hadith talking about 72 sects going astray & attaining resemblance to the 72 sects of Jews (of the time of Jesus as). Is it not a fact that today 72 sects of Muslims are waiting for return of an old Prophet (Jesus “as”) exactly the same way like Jews were waiting for the literal return of an old Prophet Elijah? Is not true that it was Jesus (as) who interpreted the prophecies regarding return of Elijah in metaphoric sense and said they meant the appearance of John the Baptist? Is it not true that the 72 sects of Jews rejected Jesus’ said metaphoric interpretation and thus also refused to accept him as Messiah? is it not true that founder of Ahmadiyya interpreted the prophecy of the return of an old prophet (i.e. Jesus) metaphorically? Is it not true that the 72 sects of Muslims reacted exactly the same way as once 72 sects of Jews did? Following video proves these facts beyond the shadow of doubt.


  18. Assalamo Alaikum
    Shah Imran deserves appreciation for his condemnation of anti-Islamic behaviors of our non-Ahmadee Muslim brethren like burning of the copies of the Holy Quran, destruction of the Ahmadee Mosques, persecution and killing of the Ahmadee Muslims, abrogation to themselves of the right to define others’ faith, etc. etc. He is very correct when he quotes the famous Hadith relating to 73 sects in Islam, where only one sect is righteous. A dispassionate and unbiased study of the behaviors of all these sects will reveal to him as to which sect is the righteous one. Interestingly, there is hardly any sect which has not been proclaimed ‘kafir’ or non believers by the other sects. If one takes such fatwas or proclamations seriously, there will be no Muslims left in the entire world. It is indeed an irony that the general masses usually get swayed by mischievous propagandas of vested elements without trying to understand the teachings of Islam. Is it not improper to quote certain Hadith out of context to call Ahmadee Muslims heretical? Does it not appear ridiculous that while the non-Ahmadee Muslims await the advent of Jesus Christ from the fourth heaven in the capacity of a Prophet, while denying subordinate Prophet-hood to the Imam Mehdi? Regrettably, a section of our non-Ahmadee Muslim brethren prefer to sort out the theological differences with force and violence, rather than logic and discussions. These behaviors are contrary to the golden principles of Islam. Mind it, it is only the weak who resorts to violence. The Ahmadees have remained calm and non-violent in the spirit of Islamic teachings. Who then is the real Muslim? I leave this question open to the prudence of our general masses of Muslims to answer.
    Wa Assalam
    Syed Zafar Ahmad
    Hyderabad – India


  19. I assume that more than 97% of the people above who praised Rob are Ahmadi Muslim. It’s amazing if you say good things about ahmadiyya community then every Ahmadi tells you “you are telling the truth. You are soo fair.”

    but on the other hand, if you express your discontent then ‘you don’t know’ or ‘you are ”misled’ by other Muslims.

    In this regard, I don’t see Ahmadis better than Sunni or Shias. Ahmadi preach ‘love for all hatred for none’ which is of course nice but do they ‘practice’ it in real life. I leave this upto the readers to find out.


  20. Br. Abdul Rahman,

    I think it’s more like 50% are Ahmadi. However, my post as well as the one that inspired it, and the majority of those who have linked both on their blogs identify themselves as Sunni.


  21. I think there is a deep misunderstanding here. What you (we) should stand for is a ‘freedom of religion’ and that should not be mixed with theology itself. Otherwise i believe the knowloedge of brother Robert on Ahmadiyya issue is not satisfactory. Ahmadis do not only believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a Messiah. They believe HE IS FULLY A PROPHET. So unless you consider somebody who believes other prophets after Muhammad pbuh is still a muslim, that’s another story.


  22. Brother, I know that you meant well but you would not be defending the Ahmadiyya (and they are NOT Muslims) if you know what they actually believe. Do you realise that they take their founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, as a Prophet and a Messiah, which contradicts Islam?


  23. First, what does it matter what they believe? That has nothing to do with our responsibilities as Muslims.

    Secondly, I don’t believe I have control over the day of judgement, so it’s not for me to decide who’s a Muslim and who is not. I either agree with someone or not but I will in no way allow arrogance to tell me who is or isn’t what they profess.


  24. I refer to the comments of H. Ibrahimi and Menz comments and would like to clarify that members of Ahmadiyya community totally agree that the holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is the Khatimun-Nabiyeen. They however believe that advent of a non-law bearing and subordinate Prophet (to Prophet Muhammad, sas) is not barred. The non-Ahmadiyya Muslims too believe in the re-advent of Issa ibn Mariyam, who happens to be a non-law bearing Prophet. So where is the problem? The question is that of identifying the person. Will the re-advent of Issa be in person (bodily coming from the Heaven)? Why not discuss the issue, rather trying to brow-beat the community into submission. I am totally in agreement with brother Salaam that no one has the right to define others’ faith. It is for Allah to judge.


  25. Thank you for your empathy, Robert. As an Ahmadi I stand at a point where I see both, religion, and culture clash.
    You are right about the fact that the whole Muslim population is at risk. By pitching sects agaisnt each other, the few select Muslims who do fight and create terror are giving the whole Muslim community a bad reputation. Unfortunately, the near-sightedness of a few select “Mullahs” and heretics themselves have rendered the whole Muslim community as terrorists and violent people.
    The Ahmadiyya Community has been supressed for over a century now and we have yet to see change or acceptance, even tolerance directed at us.
    Thank you once again for your prayers.
    I do apologize on behalf of my fellow Ahmadis who have forcedly given their message about the Ahmadiyya Community, mainly on this page, ‘Fareed Ahmed’, who despite being an Ahmadi (or so I see) does not understand the concept of absolute peace and respect towards others, as the Ahmadiyya Community teaches.


  26. Dear friends,

    I feel immensely sad to hear that the peaceful Ahmadi Muslims with their friendly motto of, “Love for all, hatred for none” are being needlessly subject to trials in Indonesia.

    Kind regards,
    Daniel De Mol.

    “Consort with all religions with amity and concord, that they may inhale from you the sweet fragrance of God.” ~Baha’u’llah Kitab-i-Aqdas page 73


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